The MAD Podcast with Matt Turck

Matt Turck

The MAD Podcast with Matt Turck, is a series of conversations with leaders from across the Machine Learning, AI, & Data landscape hosted by leading AI & data investor and Partner at FirstMark Capital, Matt Turck.

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The MAD Podcast with Matt Turck

Episodes (113)

Thursday AI is Already Building AI | Google DeepMind’s Mostafa Dehghani
Mar 19th Benedict Evans: OpenAI’s Moat Problem & the Future of Software
Mar 12th Everything Gets Rebuilt: The New AI Agent Stack | Harrison Chase, LangChain

The MAD Podcast with Matt Turck

Apr 2, 2026
1½ hours
59 MB

Are we truly on the verge of AI automating its own research and development? In this deep-dive episode of the MAD Podcast, Matt Turck sits down with Mostafa Dehghani, a pioneering AI researcher at Google DeepMind whose work on Universal Transformers and Vision Transformers (ViT) helped lay the groundwork for today's frontier models. Moving past the hype, Mostafa breaks down the actual mechanics of "thinking in loops" and Recursive Self-Improvement (RSI). He explores the critical bottlenecks holding back true AGI—from evaluation limits and formal verification to the brutal math of long-horizon reliability. ...

The MAD Podcast with Matt Turck

AI is Already Building AI | Google DeepMind’s Mostafa Dehghani

Matt Turck

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